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Mark Dolan's avatar

I saw this reposted elsewhere but thought I'd comment here directly and get your feedback if any. I thought your analysis was VERY GOOD.

* The vehicle was originally designed cooperatively with Waymo back in 2020

* The original hard point vehicle was adapted by Zeekr into the Zeekr MIX in 2023

* The MIX is a very high content vehicle and baselines in CHN @ $38K.

* The decontented RT for Waymo is likely significantly less cost perhaps closer to $32-$33K

* The automated seat rails, leather throughout and lounger seats with massage in the back for example are not included

* Furthermore, because of the Biden-era ruling about Russian and Chinese cars, much of the add-on cameras and other tech are also removed

* Waymo applied for a Commerce Dept exemption from the tariffs as a B2B purchase and a hardship since Jaguar plant was torn down. Who knows how that turns out

* You should probably consider the shipping cost to get it to the US from Ningbo. It could get loaded on shipments for Polestar & Volvo which are also Geely properties

* The Zeekr RT is REPORTEDLY plug-n-play

* Not having to do retrofits for wiring, cabling, power, etcetera is the big Kitting reduction

* The designed in drive by wire makes adaptation to Robotaxi service trivial which is a BIG SAVINGS in integration.

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Arby's avatar

the caveat about your link showing waymo has positive unit economics in SF: it's just the guesswork of a JPM analyst. It's possible waymo gave them some non-public pointers on costs / margins (but that kind of hush hush info is also very unreliable people have big incentives to pretend to have achieved profitability e.g. see Wework's community adjusted EBITDA etc.), but equally possible it's just some bank analyst somewhere doing napkin guesstimates. Until waymo discloses how much costs they incur on back end on support maintenance insurance etc. and everyone can check their math am going to assume nothing.

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